whats wrong with avid

[pauly]

don't get me wrong, i get if you own a company you have the right to charge whatever you want in a free market and i don't think that should change. however, as we all know avid bought euphonix, i thought that sorta sucked but whatever. apparently they must have paid allot of money because i heard through the grapevine prices are going up 30% on the desktop control surfaces so if you wanted one get it now..

[Mixwell]

What's wrong with world domination?

[pauly]

it would be ok if the product was worth the extra $$$$$.

[Ryan Kelly]

But that's the way it should be! If the product isn't worth the money people will stop buying it until A) The company fixes the problems/releases a better product B) Lowers the price C) Goes out of business.

Personally I love PT despite its issues, it allows me to mix and record music more efficiently than other platforms and is stable enough for me to base 99% of my income around

[pauly]

But that's the way it should be! If the product isn't worth the money people will stop buying it until A) The company fixes the problems/releases a better product B) Lowers the price C) Goes out of business.

or d) sells more product because they fixed all the bugs and delivered an innovative product while offering it at good price.

i totally agree with you by the way, the only reason i posted this in the beginning was if someone wanted one, they could save themselves the money and get one before the price went up.

[albert]

The Avid pricing scheme is fine. The market regulates itself, it's that simple.

Honestly, for any professional working studio that needs a fast reliable workflow, having all Avid kit is fine and infact very affordable!

The reason the stuff is expensive is because there are very few people who actually need it, and since those few people need it so bad, they can make the prices that high.

Honestly, it is overpriced, but they could really only make it so much less expensive, and it could kill their R&D budget.

My advice? Just worry about making music, and you can then have the money that will afford you an AWS 900, an Icon, or maybe a 1608.

Hell, if you ask me, it's better this stuff is expensive. It should be expensive and you should need a license to be producing music!

Guitars are expensive, tape is expensive, amplifiers and transducers are all expensive! Since when has there been true democracy in making music?

Of course, my opinions might change later today and all opinions listed here are worth what you paid me for them.

[albert]

Oh, and forgot to mention one thing.

I hate Avid, and I hate ProTools.

I use Logic. :P

Of course, I'm just drinking the Flavor-Aid and buying into Apple though. . .
:cool:

[jhellenl]

but that flavor-aid tastes soooo good!

[albert]

haha, I know

[Nikolai.Gabriel]

I love Pro Tools HD, as a DAW, but I don't like where Avid is going:( But anyway, this is what's wrong with Avid!!

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Avid-Technology-Reviews-E2291.htm

[jeffreyjamesmusic]

I'd love to say I like PT. It would be great to use the industry standard, however my only experience with an HD rig was a nightmare. constant crashes and errors. same with my LE and M-powered rigs I have at home. I bought a new computer for my LE box and couldn't play back audio because of a reported but unverified issue with my motherboard. has been known about but not directly addressed since 7.0

to me that is complete garbage. in a world of 6 to 12 core processors there is no reason for anything but native daws to exist. and IF i'm going to pay 7 thousand or more dollars for card that basically takes some of the load of my CPU, it better have dual 12 core intel xenons.

[ThePlayroom]

My studio is quite successful, and just follows behind the latest technology curve... Which is incredibly cheap to do. As the "gotta have the latest" folks sell off their no longer "top of the line" systems to buy the newest models... (Just look at the difference in price between used PCI HD stuff, and new PCI-E HD stuff... crazy!)

I run a Mix+ system (originally $10,000), with 4 cards (the last G4's before the Quicksilvers have 5 pci slots), and about another $10,000 in pre PT 7 plugins... (Waves, Focusrite, Drawmer, McDSP, just about everything...)

Bought the whole setup (including computer), for $1000 four years ago... With all the money saved, I spent another $1000 on a used Apogee AD8000SE with a Digi-8 card (I don't care about specs-- they sound the most like pristine tape to me, not the standard edition, but the Special Editions)... Then added an Mbox Micro so I have cross platform compatibility with PT 7 & 8 (and can actually work and edit tracks while travelling).

I can count on one hand the number of times I've had a session crash with a client. With almost constant use.

Any engineer in the business more than a couple of years will tell you that the Mix system is way more stable than the HD systems. (Although older Macs are more stable too-- with fewer 3rd party devices inside them.) And if you're recording anything close to rock/alternative/indie/folk/pop about half of them will admit the Mix system has more character too.

And as much crap as the 888's took for their converters, I bought a DIGI003 for location recording last year, and couldn't STAND the hollow, stale sound of the converters. Sold it.

Protools is only outrageously expensive if you try to keep up with all the hoops they want you to dance through. For big studios, it can make sense. For smaller studios, just be sure to call those big studios when the newest Protools gear hits the market. You'll get last year's "world class" gear at garage sale prices.

You just have to get off the treadmill and think outside the corporate marketing side of it for a moment... (Y'know, like why we need to record at 192khz, when everything we record gets listened to in MP3 form, through 1/4" speakers stuffed sideways in an ear.) It's worth it to ask yourself "If this stuff was world class 5 years ago... Why isn't it still world class today?" Afterall, if you're using a board, Protools is really only a tape, editing and automation system.

(Also similar to the awakening moment I had a few years back, when I got rid of 3 of my 4 credit cards, and actually said inside my head-- "I think it's time to stop buying things I can't afford." *bright lightbulb*)